This fullscale sequential reading of thucydides history of the peloponnesian war will be invaluable to the specialist and also to those in search of an introduction and companion to the histories. Which is the better translation of thucydides history of. Thucydides is one of the most difficult to translate, so any translation is actually only an interpretation. Its an amazing work, a literary work every bit as much as a history. The athenians for religious reasons drive the delians from their island.
The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides. Which is the better translation of thucydides history of the. The next summer the truce for a year ended, after lasting until the pythian games. Jun 18, 2007 also, you didnt specifically list thucydides, but you did caption your inquiry, ancient history, so i would add the peloponnesian war and recommend the landmark edition edited by victor davis hanson which corrects errors in the crawley translation. Hide browse bar your current position in the text is marked in blue. List of books and articles about thucydides online research. Thucydides is one of the most difficult to translate, so any translation is. Cartwrights is the only such fulllength, onevolume commentary and companion. The eight books of thucydides s account of the clash between great powers, athens and sparta, are contained in rex warners acclaimed modern translation. This work is licensed under a creative commons attributionsharealike 3. The commentary is for the greekless reader and is based on the penguin translation of rex warner. History of the peloponnesian warbook 5 wikisource, the.
You may copy it, give it away or reuse it under the terms of the project gutenberg license included with this ebook or online at. Thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war, and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. Chapter i the state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. Hobbes wording gave me trouble in a few places and it was nice to have the richard crawley translation in the landmark edition handy.
Quite a few comments have been posted about the history of. History of the peloponnesian warbook 4 wikisource, the. Thus the winter ended, and with it ended the seventh year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. Thucydides divides his history into summers and winters, thus reckoning more accurately, as he points out v. In a historical commentary on thucydides, david cartwright aims to guide the greekless reader through thucydides fascinating yet demanding narrative. Perseus provides credit for all accepted changes, storing new additions in a versioning system. Thucydides history of the peloponnesian war 8 vols. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book i book ii, ch.
Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book 1, chapter 1. The eight books of thucydidess account of the clash between great powers, athens and sparta, are contained in rex warners acclaimed modern translation. On the implicit ethics and psychology of thucydides. The translation is intended to bring out the essence of the greek and is not simply a wordforword rendering. History of the peloponnesian war, thoukydides, meta scholion palaion kai panu ophelimon choris on, ouk euxunetos ho, xungrapheus.
The history of the peloponnesian war the internet classics. The conflict, fought between the athenianled delian league and the spartanled peloponnesian league, signaled the end of athenian dominance in greece at the. As a general in the peloponnesian war he failed 424 bc to prevent the surrender of the city of amphipolis to the spartan commander brasidas and was exiled until the end of the war. I read book one and stopped there because i decided i want to read herodotus first. I read ther lateimere translation of thucydides and liked it. Jun 10, 2019 history of the peloponnesian warbook 5. Shorey, paul, on the implicit ethics and psychology of thucydides. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war, the seventh. Blancos translation or the landmark thucydides by strassler and crowley. Tenth year of the war death of cleon and brasidas peace of nicias. The book is editted to retain all of thucydides great insights into human nature, power, and politics, but summarized in a way where all of the essential details of the story are left in place.
Thucydides did not witness the negotiations and in fact had been in exile at the time, so this dialogue. Passages in book 5 once thought inconsistent are explained away. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history due to his strict standards of evidence. With an english translation by charles forster smith see other formats. Gasque, a history of the criticism of the acts of the apostles. This is all that thucydides wrote about his own life, but a few other facts are available from. Moving beyond other studies by its focus on the readers role in giving meaning to the text, it reveals thucydides use of objectivity not so much as a standard for the proper. The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides the internet. Thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it.
The history of the peloponnesian war, revised edition. History of the peloponnesian war book by thucydides. Better in terms of 1 ease of reading and 2 accuracy to original. In keeping with this sort of doubt, other scholars claim that thucydides had. Which is the better translation of thucydides history of the peloponnesian war. The history of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides 431 bc. Shifting characterizations of the common people in modern. Thucydides cum commentariis antiquis et valde utilibus sine quibus author intellectu, est quam difficillimus. Since thomas hobbess exquisite 1629 translation, there have been 11 translations published of the entirety of thucydidess history, not counting numerous revisions of translations and innumerable translations of such sections as the funeral oration or the melian dialogue. The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides, part of the internet.
He uses uncommon words and obscure andor unclear verb conjugations. Go to previous table of contents the fifth book, go to next. A commentary on thucydides simon hornblower oxford. Click anywhere in the line to jump to another position. A companion to rex warners penguin translation 9780472084197. In history of the peloponnesian war book 5, chapters 84116, the contemporary athenian historian thucydides included a dramatization of the negotiations between the athenian emissaries and the rulers of melos. A quick word on my experiment with reading the thomas hobbes translation while also looking at the landmark thucydidesit went smoother than i thought it would. Ernst badian, for example has argued that thucydides has a strong proathenian bias. For a discussion of the opacity of thucydides language use, see for example simon hornblowers 1991, pp. The tenth year of the war the athenians for religious reasons drive the delians from their island. A historical commentary on thucydides book depository.
Herodotus 1 greek and latin texts with facing vocabulary. An xml version of this text is available for download, with the additional restriction that you offer perseus any modifications you make. Reprint, with a new introduction and bibliography by thomas wiedemann. This is the first volume of a threevolume historical and literary commentary on the eight books of thucydides, the great fifthcentury bc historian of the peloponnesian war between athens and sparta. During the armistice the athenians expelled the delians from delos. Moving beyond other studies by its focus on the readers role in giving meaning to the text, it reveals thucydides use of objectivity not so much as a standard for the proper presentation of his subject matter as a method for communicating with his readers and involving them in the complexity and suffering of the peloponnesian war.
Rex warners translation dates back to the 1950s, and it shows, and could at least do with an uptodate commentary. This is the first volume of a twovolume historical and literary commentary on the eight books of thucydides, the great fifthcentury b. The peloponnesian war was something i have wanted to read for a long time and i am extremely glad i finally did. On justice, power and human nature book by thucydides. Simon hornblower this will be a 3 volume commentary on thucydides. Written by one of the fathers of western history, thucydides history of the peloponnesian war is a landmark literary and scholarly achievement documenting the pivot point in the golden age of athenian democracy. Better in terms of 1 ease of reading and 2 accuracy to original texts ideas.
Shifting characterizations of the common people in. The history of the peloponnesian war, revised edition 9780140440393 by thucydides. Thucydides used a few different words that have been translated as excellence or valor where aristotle just used the more common greek word for it. Project gutenberg s the history of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides this ebook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. July 20 this link contains a free pdf copy of herodotus book i. The national endowment for the humanities provided support for entering this text. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history by those who accept his claims to. The greatest of all greek historians was the athenian general thucydides 455400 b. Fortunately ive already posted a little bit on some of the reasons i think are important to read thucydides. Thucydides in translation view online 123 items some essential works on thucydides 24 items a historical commentary on thucydides.
My commentary regularly refers to the unabridged lexicon of liddell, scott, and jones to authenticate lexical. The electronic text version of this translation comes from the eris project at. Oct 29, 2019 for a discussion of the opacity of thucydides language use, see for example simon hornblowers 1991, pp. Thucydides classic work, history of the peloponnesian war, provides us with the historical framework for 5th century greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history. History of the peloponnesian war summary and study guide. Im approaching book 5, its overdue at my library, i cant renew it, and im just gonna take the overdue fines. The state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war. Mi finleys introduction is scholarly and informative but in a 1970s kind of way. The lacedaemonians and their allies shall give back amphipolis to the.
The conflict, fought between the athenianled delian league and the spartanled peloponnesian league, signaled the end of athenian dominance in greece at the close of the fifth. Apr 16, 2012 history of the peloponnesian warbook 4. List of books and articles about thucydides online. As with any ancient text, much about the work is contested and much remains unclear. Harold north fowler, commentary on thucydides book 5, book 5. Thucydidess most popular book is history of the peloponnesian war. The history of the peloponnesian war ends in midsentence in 411, seven years before the end of the war and 11 before thucydideswho served as an athenian general before being exiled in 422, for failing a missionis believed to have died.
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